{
 "episode_id": "all-in-2026-07-13-the-trillion-dollar-industries-ai-is-disrupting-voice-law-th",
 "title": "The Trillion-Dollar Industries AI Is Disrupting: Voice, Law & the End of the Billable Hour",
 "podcast": "all-in",
 "published_at": "2026-07-13",
 "speakers": [
  "Jason Calacanis",
  "Mati Stanislawski",
  "Max Junestrand"
 ],
 "summary": "A live-interview episode in which Jason Calacanis speaks one-on-one with two European AI founders about the trillion-dollar industries their companies are reshaping. ElevenLabs CEO Mati Stanislawski details the voice-AI company's climb to $600M ARR with 600 employees and no product managers, its model-agnostic platform and claimed lead over Anthropic and OpenAI on voice models, and the safeguards, talent marketplace, and celebrity/IP licensing (McConaughey, Darth Vader in Fortnite, ALS voice restoration) built around the idea that 'voice is identity and IP.' Legora CEO Max Junestrand then argues that legal is a $1T, supply-constrained market that is only ~4% software today, that the billable-hour model is breaking as AI agents (post-Opus 4.5/4.6) move from augmenting lawyers to doing end-to-end case work, and explains why a legal-research product needs all case data, why he rejects general fine-tuned legal models, and why Claude's shallow legal offering is a lead funnel rather than a competitor. Both founders address the recurring theme of whether to keep partnering with frontier labs that increasingly compete with them, or fork open-source models to build their own.",
 "topics": [
  {
   "name": "ElevenLabs' revenue ramp and scaling culture",
   "timestamp": "0:00",
   "summary": "Jason interviews ElevenLabs CEO Mati Stanislawski on the company's climb to $600M ARR, its 600-person headcount with zero early attrition, and how it preserves culture amid hypergrowth."
  },
  {
   "name": "Building software with AI: embedded engineers and no PMs",
   "timestamp": "3:44",
   "summary": "Mati describes ElevenLabs' structure of small 5-10 person teams with engineers embedded in every function (including legal, talent, and go-to-market) and why the company never hired product managers."
  },
  {
   "name": "Voice agents and how people talk to AI",
   "timestamp": "9:04",
   "summary": "The shift to consumers preferring AI voice agents on calls, real-time interruptibility, dictation tools like Whisper Flow and pedals, and how people are more candid with an AI than with a human."
  },
  {
   "name": "Voice cloning, impersonation safeguards, and celebrity/IP deals",
   "timestamp": "15:33",
   "summary": "Jason's own voice-clone story frames a discussion of ElevenLabs' safeguards (tracing, moderation, AI detection), its $22M talent marketplace, ALS voice restoration, and licensing deals (McConaughey, Darth Vader/Fortnite, Masterclass, Headspace)."
  },
  {
   "name": "Competing with frontier labs and building your own voice models",
   "timestamp": "25:06",
   "summary": "Whether ElevenLabs is enabling its own demise by partnering with Anthropic and OpenAI, its model-agnostic platform, its claimed lead on voice models, data-distillation threats, whether it should build its own models, and a riff on AGI."
  },
  {
   "name": "Legora and the disruption of the $1T legal industry",
   "timestamp": "31:47",
   "summary": "Jason interviews Legora CEO Max Junestrand on legal AI: the underpenetrated legal-software market, the billable-hour model, forward-deployed lawyers, the LexisNexis/Westlaw data duopoly, narrow vs. general models, Opus-4.5/4.6-enabled case strategy, and Legora's trust/compliance and M&A strategy."
  }
 ],
 "entities": [
  {
   "name": "Jason Calacanis",
   "type": "person",
   "salience": "central",
   "role_in_episode": "Host conducting both one-on-one founder interviews and driving the voice-AI and legal-AI discussions"
  },
  {
   "name": "Mati Stanislawski",
   "type": "person",
   "salience": "central",
   "role_in_episode": "ElevenLabs CEO; subject of the first interview on voice AI, scaling, and competing with frontier labs"
  },
  {
   "name": "Max Junestrand",
   "type": "person",
   "salience": "central",
   "role_in_episode": "Legora CEO; subject of the second interview on legal AI and the disruption of the billable hour"
  },
  {
   "name": "Dario Amodei",
   "type": "person",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "Anthropic CEO cited as a competitor wanting to take the founders' businesses"
  },
  {
   "name": "Sam Altman",
   "type": "person",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "OpenAI CEO cited as a competitor ('Sam from OpenAI')"
  },
  {
   "name": "Matthew McConaughey",
   "type": "person",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "Licensed his voice to ElevenLabs for a multilingual World Cup project"
  },
  {
   "name": "James Earl Jones",
   "type": "person",
   "salience": "discussed",
   "role_in_episode": "Licensed his Darth Vader voice to Disney before his death; ElevenLabs recreated it"
  },
  {
   "name": "Jennifer Wexman",
   "type": "person",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "US Congresswoman whose lost voice ElevenLabs restored for a speech in Congress"
  },
  {
   "name": "Gordon Ramsay",
   "type": "person",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "Cited as an interactive Masterclass AI-instructor example"
  },
  {
   "name": "Jamie Foxx",
   "type": "person",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "Cited as a celebrity ElevenLabs paid to license their voice"
  },
  {
   "name": "ElevenLabs",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "central",
   "role_in_episode": "Mati's voice-AI company; $600M ARR, model-agnostic platform, voice-cloning marketplace and safeguards"
  },
  {
   "name": "Legora",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "central",
   "role_in_episode": "Max's legal-AI company; 50% QoQ growth, forward-deployed lawyers, all-jurisdiction legal-data moat"
  },
  {
   "name": "Anthropic",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "discussed",
   "role_in_episode": "Frontier lab that is both partner and competitor to the founders; its Claude legal offering is discussed"
  },
  {
   "name": "OpenAI",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "discussed",
   "role_in_episode": "Frontier lab framed as a partner-and-competitor to both ElevenLabs and Legora"
  },
  {
   "name": "Google",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "One of the model providers ElevenLabs offers customers via its model-agnostic platform"
  },
  {
   "name": "Harvey",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "discussed",
   "role_in_episode": "Legora's principal legal-AI competitor"
  },
  {
   "name": "Cooley",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "Law firm cited as serving startup founders directly through its own software platform"
  },
  {
   "name": "Kirkland & Ellis",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "discussed",
   "role_in_episode": "Bellwether big law firm whose ~$10B revenue and per-partner economics illustrate the disruption stakes"
  },
  {
   "name": "Wachtell",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "Cited as 'the best law firm in the world' needing complete case data for bet-the-company litigation"
  },
  {
   "name": "LexisNexis",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "discussed",
   "role_in_episode": "Legacy legal-data incumbent with a data moat but only a couple billion in revenue"
  },
  {
   "name": "Westlaw",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "discussed",
   "role_in_episode": "Other half of the US legal-research duopoly; holds a government monopoly on case reporting"
  },
  {
   "name": "Sierra",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "Enterprise-AI company whose direct-sales growth pace Legora says it beat by a quarter"
  },
  {
   "name": "Palantir",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "Model for Legora's 'forward-deployed lawyers' go-to-market role"
  },
  {
   "name": "Klarna",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "ElevenLabs financial-services voice-agent customer"
  },
  {
   "name": "Revolut",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "ElevenLabs financial-services voice-agent customer"
  },
  {
   "name": "Masterclass",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "discussed",
   "role_in_episode": "ElevenLabs partner turning static lessons into interactive AI instructors"
  },
  {
   "name": "Headspace",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "Meditation app ElevenLabs is working with on voice experiences"
  },
  {
   "name": "Calm",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "Meditation app Jason invested in; cited exploring interactive/personalized meditation"
  },
  {
   "name": "Epic Games",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "discussed",
   "role_in_episode": "Fortnite maker; launched an interactive ElevenLabs-powered Darth Vader"
  },
  {
   "name": "Disney",
   "type": "company",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "Holder of the licensed Darth Vader voice rights used in the Fortnite interaction"
  },
  {
   "name": "Whisper Flow",
   "type": "product",
   "salience": "discussed",
   "role_in_episode": "Dictation tool Jason uses to give long stream-of-consciousness prompts to LLMs"
  },
  {
   "name": "Claude",
   "type": "product",
   "salience": "discussed",
   "role_in_episode": "Anthropic's model and its 'legal offering,' which Max characterizes as shallow"
  },
  {
   "name": "Opus 4.5",
   "type": "product",
   "salience": "mentioned",
   "role_in_episode": "Anthropic model (with 4.6) credited with enabling intelligent end-to-end legal case strategy"
  },
  {
   "name": "voice AI",
   "type": "concept",
   "salience": "central",
   "role_in_episode": "The core subject of the ElevenLabs interview: text-to-speech, speech-to-text, and voice agents"
  },
  {
   "name": "voice cloning",
   "type": "concept",
   "salience": "discussed",
   "role_in_episode": "The impersonation risk and licensing opportunity ElevenLabs manages via safeguards and a marketplace"
  },
  {
   "name": "legal AI",
   "type": "concept",
   "salience": "central",
   "role_in_episode": "The core subject of the Legora interview: automating a supply-constrained trillion-dollar legal market"
  },
  {
   "name": "billable hour",
   "type": "concept",
   "salience": "central",
   "role_in_episode": "The law-firm pricing model AI is said to be breaking down"
  },
  {
   "name": "AGI",
   "type": "concept",
   "salience": "discussed",
   "role_in_episode": "Jason argues it has effectively been achieved but not yet deployed"
  },
  {
   "name": "forward-deployed lawyers",
   "type": "concept",
   "salience": "discussed",
   "role_in_episode": "Legora's 'Legal Engineer' role, modeled on Palantir's forward-deployed engineers"
  },
  {
   "name": "job displacement",
   "type": "concept",
   "salience": "discussed",
   "role_in_episode": "Effect of AI on junior lawyers, whose jobs persist but whose tasks shift to orchestrating agents"
  }
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  {
   "holder": "Mati Stanislawski",
   "claim": "ElevenLabs' model-agnostic platform is an advantage because customers can build their orchestration and voice layer without being locked to any single frontier model.",
   "stance": "opinion",
   "conviction": 0.75,
   "subjects": [
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    "OpenAI"
   ],
   "timestamp": "25:52",
   "quote": "And that being agnostic to a specific model is actually helpful because customers can make sure that they build a harness, build their agent orchestration, create a voice element of how that agent interacts with the world, how the marketing or interacts with the world, but they are not dependent on any model."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Mati Stanislawski",
   "claim": "In voice models, the architecture matters more than scale — you have to fundamentally change how the model operates, not just make it bigger.",
   "stance": "opinion",
   "conviction": 0.8,
   "subjects": [
    "voice AI",
    "ElevenLabs"
   ],
   "timestamp": "25:52",
   "quote": "It's the architecture that matters, not the scale. You really need to change how the model operates."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Mati Stanislawski",
   "claim": "ElevenLabs has been able to out-compete Anthropic and OpenAI on voice models across text-to-speech, speech-to-text, turn-taking, and music.",
   "stance": "assertion",
   "conviction": 0.8,
   "subjects": [
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   "timestamp": "25:52",
   "quote": "And we've been able to out-compete them on voice models, both on text to speech, speech to text, on the turn-taking, on music."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Mati Stanislawski",
   "claim": "Frontier labs are actively trying to distill and use ElevenLabs' data, an ongoing threat ElevenLabs can only slow, not fully stop.",
   "stance": "assertion",
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   "subjects": [
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    "OpenAI"
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   "timestamp": "28:25",
   "quote": "We know that some companies are continuously trying to figure out how to distill and use the data. So, that is an existing problem and we have a few mechanisms to stop it. Or slow it down, not stop it."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Mati Stanislawski",
   "claim": "ElevenLabs should own the interaction/communication layer rather than compete on knowledge work or coding.",
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   "subjects": [
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   ],
   "timestamp": "28:25",
   "quote": "we won't focus on knowledge work, we won't focus on coding."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Mati Stanislawski",
   "claim": "A person's voice is a form of identity and IP that others recognize and feel emotion from, making it both a risk and an opportunity.",
   "stance": "opinion",
   "conviction": 0.8,
   "subjects": [
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    "voice AI"
   ],
   "timestamp": "18:23",
   "quote": "Yeah, the voice is identity and IP."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Mati Stanislawski",
   "claim": "People are more candid and honest with an AI voice agent than with a human because the emotional block (e.g., shame about a missed payment) is removed.",
   "stance": "assertion",
   "conviction": 0.75,
   "subjects": [
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   "timestamp": "14:34",
   "quote": "With AI, people are much more open to share what actually happened, give the information, and suddenly this emotional block of like in front of other human, I don't want to be able to say all of that, is very different."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Jason Calacanis",
   "claim": "AGI has effectively already been achieved and simply hasn't been deployed yet.",
   "stance": "opinion",
   "conviction": 0.65,
   "subjects": [
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   "timestamp": "30:23",
   "quote": "we're kind of there on AGI, don't you think? That we've kind of achieved it, we just haven't deployed it?"
  },
  {
   "holder": "Max Junestrand",
   "claim": "Legal services are only about 4% software and 96% services today, a mismatch that means the software share should be far larger and will grow into the service revenue.",
   "stance": "opinion",
   "conviction": 0.8,
   "subjects": [
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    "Legora"
   ],
   "timestamp": "34:09",
   "quote": "The software piece should be much bigger than that. And so the software piece naturally will grow into the service revenue"
  },
  {
   "holder": "Max Junestrand",
   "claim": "Legal is a supply-constrained market where demand for legal services vastly exceeds the available lawyers and services.",
   "stance": "assertion",
   "conviction": 0.8,
   "subjects": [
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   ],
   "timestamp": "34:09",
   "quote": "The demand for legal services is much larger than what there are lawyers or legal services available."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Max Junestrand",
   "claim": "The law-firm billable-hour model works by overcharging for associates and undercharging for partners, a structure AI directly undermines.",
   "stance": "assertion",
   "conviction": 0.8,
   "subjects": [
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    "legal AI"
   ],
   "timestamp": "35:16",
   "quote": "you overcharge for the associates, and you actually undercharge for the partners."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Max Junestrand",
   "claim": "Legacy legal-data incumbents will struggle to become AI-native because they can't attract the talent, don't work the hours, and are too politically internal to move quickly.",
   "stance": "opinion",
   "conviction": 0.8,
   "subjects": [
    "LexisNexis",
    "Westlaw"
   ],
   "timestamp": "43:25",
   "quote": "They can't get the talent, they don't work our hours, and they're so political in their organizations that it's just hard to move."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Max Junestrand",
   "claim": "The early-AI bet that organizations owning the most data would be the winners is proving wrong in the market.",
   "stance": "opinion",
   "conviction": 0.75,
   "subjects": [
    "legal AI",
    "LexisNexis"
   ],
   "timestamp": "43:25",
   "quote": "I think at the outset of AI, many believed and made a bet that those organizations who had all the data was going to be the winners. As we're starting to see in the market, that's no longer the case."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Max Junestrand",
   "claim": "A viable legal-research product must contain all case data, not just the top 80% — the opposite of a power law — because top litigators need every case.",
   "stance": "assertion",
   "conviction": 0.85,
   "subjects": [
    "legal AI",
    "Westlaw"
   ],
   "timestamp": "45:40",
   "quote": "You cannot build a legal research solution that doesn't have all of the data."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Max Junestrand",
   "claim": "Gathering every jurisdiction's cases, legislation, and regulatory updates at scale builds a real, durable data moat for Legora.",
   "stance": "opinion",
   "conviction": 0.75,
   "subjects": [
    "Legora",
    "legal AI"
   ],
   "timestamp": "41:12",
   "quote": "But once you start to do that at scale, it builds a real data mode."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Max Junestrand",
   "claim": "Anthropic's Claude legal offering is shallow (markdown skills plus a few integrations) and functions as a lead-generation funnel for Legora rather than real competition.",
   "stance": "opinion",
   "conviction": 0.8,
   "subjects": [
    "Anthropic",
    "Legora"
   ],
   "timestamp": "47:49",
   "quote": "you hit the ceiling or you understand how shallow it is, and then you call us. So it's actually a big pipeline generator for us."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Max Junestrand",
   "claim": "Fine-tuning or building a general legal-intelligence model is a total waste of time and money; only narrow models for narrow use cases make sense.",
   "stance": "opinion",
   "conviction": 0.85,
   "subjects": [
    "legal AI",
    "Legora"
   ],
   "timestamp": "48:49",
   "quote": "So I don't believe in fine-tuning or building any general intelligence models. I think that's total waste of time and money. I do believe in very narrow models for narrow use cases"
  },
  {
   "holder": "Max Junestrand",
   "claim": "Following Opus 4.5 and 4.6, legal AI agents can now do real end-to-end case strategy, shifting the field from AI augmenting lawyers to AI doing the work while lawyers orchestrate.",
   "stance": "assertion",
   "conviction": 0.8,
   "subjects": [
    "legal AI",
    "Opus 4.5",
    "Anthropic"
   ],
   "timestamp": "46:51",
   "quote": "moving us from a world where AI is just augmenting, to AI is actually really doing things and your job becomes to orchestrate and to manage those agents as we're seeing in coding."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Max Junestrand",
   "claim": "Junior-lawyer jobs will still exist, but the tasks shift from manual document review to orchestrating AI agents.",
   "stance": "opinion",
   "conviction": 0.7,
   "subjects": [
    "legal AI",
    "job displacement"
   ],
   "timestamp": "39:45",
   "quote": "The job will exist. The tasks will be different, right?"
  }
 ],
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  {
   "holder": "Jason Calacanis",
   "prediction": "ElevenLabs will end up building its own language model by forking the many strong open-source models now available, given its resources.",
   "timeframe": "unspecified",
   "subjects": [
    "ElevenLabs"
   ],
   "timestamp": "29:12",
   "quote": "It's pretty clear in my estimation that that's where you, you will wind up and the ability to make your own language model today, especially with all these great models out there that are now open-sourced, it's going to be pretty easy for a company with your level of resources."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Mati Stanislawski",
   "prediction": "This year ElevenLabs will make any voice conversation feel indistinguishable from speaking with another human (a voice Turing test).",
   "timeframe": "this year",
   "subjects": [
    "ElevenLabs",
    "voice AI"
   ],
   "timestamp": "29:41",
   "quote": "And we hope this year we'll do the same thing for voice, where any conversation feels like you are speaking with another human.",
   "due": "2026-12-31"
  },
  {
   "holder": "Mati Stanislawski",
   "prediction": "The customer-help interface will shift from reactive to proactive, with voice surfacing information and help before the user even asks.",
   "timeframe": "unspecified",
   "subjects": [
    "voice AI"
   ],
   "timestamp": "9:58",
   "quote": "It will shift from reactive to proactive to help you get that help before you potentially ask for it."
  },
  {
   "holder": "Max Junestrand",
   "prediction": "Law firms will move away from the billable hour toward alternative pricing such as fixed fees per transaction/fundraise and success fees in litigation.",
   "timeframe": "unspecified",
   "subjects": [
    "billable hour",
    "legal AI"
   ],
   "timestamp": "37:22",
   "quote": "I think a lot of law firms are also experimenting with different pricing models where you do a fixed fee for a transaction or for a fundraise."
  }
 ],
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   "statement": "ElevenLabs was founded in 2022, released its first human-sounding text-to-speech model in early 2023, then took roughly 20 months to reach $100M ARR, ~10 months to $200M, ~5 months to $300M (closing last year), and is now at $600M.",
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    "ElevenLabs"
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   "timestamp": "1:00",
   "quote": "Then it took us roughly 20 months to get to the first 100 million in ARR, roughly 10 months to get to 200, five months to get to 300, and that's how we closed at the end of the last year, and now we are at 600",
   "source": "Mati Stanislawski"
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   "statement": "ElevenLabs has 600 employees.",
   "subjects": [
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   ],
   "value": "600 employees",
   "timestamp": "2:11",
   "quote": "We have 600 people today, so also very quick growth on that people's side.",
   "source": "Mati Stanislawski"
  },
  {
   "statement": "ElevenLabs had zero attrition among its first 10 (research and engineering) hires.",
   "subjects": [
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   "timestamp": "2:11",
   "quote": "From the first 10 people, we had zero attrition.",
   "source": "Mati Stanislawski"
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  {
   "statement": "ElevenLabs has never employed product managers.",
   "subjects": [
    "ElevenLabs"
   ],
   "timestamp": "7:14",
   "quote": "We don't have any PMs.",
   "source": "Mati Stanislawski"
  },
  {
   "statement": "ElevenLabs built an internal team of over 1,000 contractors to label its audio training assets.",
   "subjects": [
    "ElevenLabs"
   ],
   "value": "1,000+ audio-labeling contractors",
   "timestamp": "25:52",
   "quote": "So you build an internal team of over 1000 contractors that label all those audio assets to make them, to make them good.",
   "source": "Mati Stanislawski"
  },
  {
   "statement": "ElevenLabs has paid over $22 million back to its community of voice talent via its authenticated voice marketplace.",
   "subjects": [
    "ElevenLabs"
   ],
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   "quote": "Today we paid back over $22 million back to the community of talent.",
   "source": "Mati Stanislawski"
  },
  {
   "statement": "ElevenLabs partnered with Matthew McConaughey to carry his voice across languages in a World Cup project.",
   "subjects": [
    "ElevenLabs",
    "Matthew McConaughey"
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   "timestamp": "18:23",
   "quote": "We've partnered with Matthew McConaughey on creating a World Cup.",
   "source": "Mati Stanislawski"
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   "statement": "ElevenLabs powered an interactive Darth Vader (using James Earl Jones' licensed voice) in Epic Games' Fortnite, in partnership with the estate and Disney.",
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    "ElevenLabs",
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    "Disney",
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   "timestamp": "23:27",
   "quote": "the big use case that big, completely new experience was in the gaming space where Fortnite, so Epic Games, game Fortnite, launched Darth Vader which people and players could interact with live, in partnership with the state, in partnership with Disney.",
   "source": "Mati Stanislawski"
  },
  {
   "statement": "ElevenLabs restored the voice of US Congresswoman Jennifer Wexman, who used it to deliver a speech in Congress.",
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   "quote": "So we worked with Congresswoman in the US, Jennifer Wexman, who lost it and wanted to continue, inspire others that you can do incredible work despite that, and was the first speech delivered in Congress.",
   "source": "Mati Stanislawski"
  },
  {
   "statement": "ElevenLabs' financial-services customers include Revolut, Klarna, and Pagbank.",
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    "Klarna",
    "Revolut"
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   "timestamp": "14:34",
   "quote": "we work with a lot of financial services companies, Revolut, Klarna, Pagbank.",
   "source": "Mati Stanislawski"
  },
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   "statement": "Legora has sustained 50% quarter-over-quarter growth for the last seven quarters.",
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   "value": "50% QoQ for 7 quarters",
   "timestamp": "31:51",
   "quote": "It's sustained 50 percent quarter over quarter for the last seven quarters.",
   "source": "Max Junestrand"
  },
  {
   "statement": "Legora recently became one of the fastest enterprise companies with a direct sales motion to grow from 1 to 150, beating Sierra's pace by a quarter.",
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   "value": "1 to 150; beat Sierra by one quarter",
   "timestamp": "32:00",
   "quote": "one of the fastest enterprise company with a direct sales motion to grow from one to 150, bidding Sierra with one quarter.",
   "source": "Max Junestrand"
  },
  {
   "statement": "Global legal services run about $1 trillion a year while legal-technology software spend is only about $40 billion — roughly 4% software and 96% services.",
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    "legal AI"
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   "timestamp": "34:09",
   "quote": "It's a trillion dollars every year into legal services, which is very fragmented. But the software spend into legal technology is about 40 billion. So it means there's 4% software, 96% service, which is bananas.",
   "source": "Max Junestrand"
  },
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   "statement": "Kirkland & Ellis turns over roughly $10 billion a year, has 4,000-5,000 lawyers, and makes $5-10 million in profit per partner per year.",
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   "timestamp": "37:59",
   "quote": "Kirkland Ellis turns around $10 billion a year.",
   "source": "Max Junestrand"
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   "statement": "Kirkland partner billing rates can reach $4,000/hour; Jason cited a recent senior bill of $1,800/hour and associate rates around $800/hour.",
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    "legal AI"
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   "value": "up to $4,000/hr (partner); ~$1,800/hr cited; ~$800/hr associates",
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   "quote": "Kirkland, it can go up to $4,000 an hour.",
   "source": "Max Junestrand"
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   "statement": "Legora acquired four businesses this year, doing diligence in-house with its own tool; its fastest deal closed 12 days from LOI to closing.",
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   "statement": "LexisNexis has a massive legal-data moat but makes only a couple of billion dollars a year.",
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   "quote": "They have a massive data moat, but they only make a couple of billion dollars a year.",
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   "statement": "Legora offers 'forward-deployed lawyers' — a role it calls the Legal Engineer — modeled on Palantir's forward-deployed engineers, to help firms transform to a post-AI world.",
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    "Palantir"
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   "timestamp": "38:17",
   "quote": "in the same way that Palantir has forward deployed engineers, we have forward deployed lawyers.",
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   "statement": "Legora hosts highly sensitive data — national secrets, weapons manufacturers' contracts, and governments — but does not offer on-prem deployment.",
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   "speaker": "Max Junestrand",
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   "quote": "So it means there's 4% software, 96% service, which is bananas.",
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   "speaker": "Max Junestrand",
   "timestamp": "37:14",
   "quote": "Which means to drag it out.",
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   "speaker": "Max Junestrand",
   "timestamp": "45:40",
   "quote": "You cannot build a legal research solution that doesn't have all of the data.",
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   "quote": "you hit the ceiling or you understand how shallow it is, and then you call us. So it's actually a big pipeline generator for us.",
   "why": "Legora's framing of Anthropic's Claude legal product as a lead funnel rather than a competitive threat."
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   "speaker": "Mati Stanislawski",
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   "quote": "Yeah, the voice is identity and IP.",
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